Comments on: Complete Listing of Law Schools Involved in Hunger Strike http://unemployedjd.com/2010/08/05/complete-listing-of-law-schools-involved-in-hunger-strike/ Supporting Law School Transparency & Career Counseling Reform Wed, 18 Aug 2010 11:17:16 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Three Stages of Starvation and Where I Stand | UNEMPLOYEDJD.COM http://unemployedjd.com/2010/08/05/complete-listing-of-law-schools-involved-in-hunger-strike/comment-page-1/#comment-175 Three Stages of Starvation and Where I Stand | UNEMPLOYEDJD.COM Mon, 16 Aug 2010 16:39:35 +0000 http://unemployedjd.com/?p=364#comment-175 [...] specific goal such as policy change. For example, my hunger strike is against the administrators of ten of the nation’s top law schools to promote transparency and career counseling reform. Hunger strikes usually last until the striker [...] [...] specific goal such as policy change. For example, my hunger strike is against the administrators of ten of the nation’s top law schools to promote transparency and career counseling reform. Hunger strikes usually last until the striker [...]

]]> By: Law http://unemployedjd.com/2010/08/05/complete-listing-of-law-schools-involved-in-hunger-strike/comment-page-1/#comment-157 Law Sat, 14 Aug 2010 15:44:41 +0000 http://unemployedjd.com/?p=364#comment-157 what a great post, i like it what a great post, i like it

]]> By: make gentle the life of the world http://unemployedjd.com/2010/08/05/complete-listing-of-law-schools-involved-in-hunger-strike/comment-page-1/#comment-150 make gentle the life of the world Sat, 14 Aug 2010 02:59:36 +0000 http://unemployedjd.com/?p=364#comment-150 Are these heartless people really ordinary people or are they attached to the law school industry? I have had a great career as a lawyer which has allowed me to do many things. Not bad for someone from a very bottom of the pile law school. But I find it indecent for people to attack Ethan for publicizing something that the law school industry does not want publicized, i.e. too many JD's seeking too few jobs. This 'I have my cake-so screw you attitude' is shameful and way too common. And, by the way, enjoy your cake while you have it: with new technology and minimum wage lawyers in India writing briefs and doing due diligence the lights are being turned out on more and more American jobs of all kind (and yes you holier than though Ethan critics, that very well mean you too before very long.) Are these heartless people really ordinary people or are they attached to the law school industry? I have had a great career as a lawyer which has allowed me to do many things. Not bad for someone from a very bottom of the pile law school. But I find it indecent for people to attack Ethan for publicizing something that the law school industry does not want publicized, i.e. too many JD’s seeking too few jobs. This ‘I have my cake-so screw you attitude’ is shameful and way too common.
And, by the way, enjoy your cake while you have it: with new technology and minimum wage lawyers in India writing briefs and doing due diligence the lights are being turned out on more and more American jobs of all kind (and yes you holier than though Ethan critics, that very well mean you too before very long.)

]]> By: KM http://unemployedjd.com/2010/08/05/complete-listing-of-law-schools-involved-in-hunger-strike/comment-page-1/#comment-128 KM Wed, 11 Aug 2010 17:07:05 +0000 http://unemployedjd.com/?p=364#comment-128 Why is publicity a bad idea? The whole point is to get the issue into the spotlight, and by choosing these schools he can make a direct impact on those student and hopefully inspire other law school, and prospective law students to think about what they are doing. Why is publicity a bad idea? The whole point is to get the issue into the spotlight, and by choosing these schools he can make a direct impact on those student and hopefully inspire other law school, and prospective law students to think about what they are doing.

]]> By: student loan : : Law.com Still Doesn’t Get It - Insurance Today http://unemployedjd.com/2010/08/05/complete-listing-of-law-schools-involved-in-hunger-strike/comment-page-1/#comment-109 student loan : : Law.com Still Doesn’t Get It - Insurance Today Tue, 10 Aug 2010 14:06:41 +0000 http://unemployedjd.com/?p=364#comment-109 [...] Day 6 of Ethan Haines’ hunger strike, with no word yet from any of the schools he targeted.  The story has been all over the interwebs, so the schools must be aware of the strike by [...] [...] Day 6 of Ethan Haines’ hunger strike, with no word yet from any of the schools he targeted.  The story has been all over the interwebs, so the schools must be aware of the strike by [...]

]]> By: The Cardinal Law http://unemployedjd.com/2010/08/05/complete-listing-of-law-schools-involved-in-hunger-strike/comment-page-1/#comment-102 The Cardinal Law Tue, 10 Aug 2010 03:41:14 +0000 http://unemployedjd.com/?p=364#comment-102 I sympathize completely with your situation and agree that the world would be a better place if law school career services offices were more open about the fact that they're pretty much useless. At its heart, your idea isn't a bad one. Your plan to effect change, however, is pretty laughably bad. As far as I can tell, you've got two big problems right off the bat. 1. You're not actually willing to die for this cause. People who bring about change through hunger strikes are able to do so because the powers that be see the strike and say, "Wu oh, we should probably do something to make them stop that before they die. I don't want to have to clean up the bodies." This leads directly to problem 2. 2. These 10 Random Schools Don't Care if You Die! In addition to not being willing to die, which automatically diminishes the power of the protest exponentially, you also made a serious miscalculation by randomly selecting your targets. Why in God's green goodness would the University of Washington change its ways because 1 dude somewhere, who may or may not even have gone to law school, isn't going to eat until he's really really reeeeeally hungry? To do this thing right, you'd have to lay yourself on the line publicly. Your best bet would be to come out against your law school, which is obviously the one you've got a real beef with. All this grassroots organizing is fine, but you first need to pick a target that might actually care whether you are dead (Hint: Dead alums don't donate. Your school has an incentive to keep you alive. Baylor does not.) I would consider donating to your cause if you didn't come across as a misguided goofball. I mean that in complete sincerity. Interesting idea, poor planning, poorer execution, good luck! Vaya con Dios. I sympathize completely with your situation and agree that the world would be a better place if law school career services offices were more open about the fact that they’re pretty much useless. At its heart, your idea isn’t a bad one. Your plan to effect change, however, is pretty laughably bad. As far as I can tell, you’ve got two big problems right off the bat.
1. You’re not actually willing to die for this cause.
People who bring about change through hunger strikes are able to do so because the powers that be see the strike and say, “Wu oh, we should probably do something to make them stop that before they die. I don’t want to have to clean up the bodies.” This leads directly to problem 2.
2. These 10 Random Schools Don’t Care if You Die! In addition to not being willing to die, which automatically diminishes the power of the protest exponentially, you also made a serious miscalculation by randomly selecting your targets. Why in God’s green goodness would the University of Washington change its ways because 1 dude somewhere, who may or may not even have gone to law school, isn’t going to eat until he’s really really reeeeeally hungry?
To do this thing right, you’d have to lay yourself on the line publicly. Your best bet would be to come out against your law school, which is obviously the one you’ve got a real beef with. All this grassroots organizing is fine, but you first need to pick a target that might actually care whether you are dead (Hint: Dead alums don’t donate. Your school has an incentive to keep you alive. Baylor does not.)
I would consider donating to your cause if you didn’t come across as a misguided goofball. I mean that in complete sincerity. Interesting idea, poor planning, poorer execution, good luck!

Vaya con Dios.

]]> By: Hipolito M. Wiseman http://unemployedjd.com/2010/08/05/complete-listing-of-law-schools-involved-in-hunger-strike/comment-page-1/#comment-100 Hipolito M. Wiseman Tue, 10 Aug 2010 02:30:04 +0000 http://unemployedjd.com/?p=364#comment-100 Hey, I searched for this blog on Bing and just wanted to say thanks for the excellent read. I would have to agree with it, thank you again! Hey, I searched for this blog on Bing and just wanted to say thanks for the excellent read. I would have to agree with it, thank you again!

]]> By: Hunger Strike http://unemployedjd.com/2010/08/05/complete-listing-of-law-schools-involved-in-hunger-strike/comment-page-1/#comment-99 Hunger Strike Tue, 10 Aug 2010 01:06:07 +0000 http://unemployedjd.com/?p=364#comment-99 Hey Ethan: I ran across this on Abovethelaw and thought it was so appropriate for your hunger strike. It's a rap song about starving attorneys by Adam Warrock, a former attorney, turned rapper. He uses the tune from Temple of the Dog's "Hunger Strike": http://abovethelaw.com/2010/08/career-alternatives-starving-artistemory-law-grad-eugene-ahn-gives-up-labor-law-for-rap/#more-29774 check out his lyrics: “I went from being a lawyer to being my own employer/ that’s why i need to peddle wares and sell my single here/ so please excuse the shameless self-promotion over strings and stares/ you can guilt to your heart’s content / i’m still living without repent(ance) / i’m living with every cent / i need it to pay the rent/ i need it for live events / i need it to pay the bills for the money already spent.” Hey Ethan:

I ran across this on Abovethelaw and thought it was so appropriate for your hunger strike. It’s a rap song about starving attorneys by Adam Warrock, a former attorney, turned rapper. He uses the tune from Temple of the Dog’s “Hunger Strike”:

http://abovethelaw.com/2010/08/career-alternatives-starving-artistemory-law-grad-eugene-ahn-gives-up-labor-law-for-rap/#more-29774

check out his lyrics:

“I went from being a lawyer to being my own employer/
that’s why i need to peddle wares and sell my single here/
so please excuse the shameless self-promotion over strings and stares/
you can guilt to your heart’s content /
i’m still living without repent(ance) /
i’m living with every cent /
i need it to pay the rent/ i need it for live events /
i need it to pay the bills for the money already spent.”

]]> By: Watch MacGruber http://unemployedjd.com/2010/08/05/complete-listing-of-law-schools-involved-in-hunger-strike/comment-page-1/#comment-98 Watch MacGruber Mon, 09 Aug 2010 23:54:22 +0000 http://unemployedjd.com/?p=364#comment-98 Thank you very much for this great blog; this is the kind of post that keeps me going through the day. I've been looking around for your blog after I heard about them from a mate and was thrilled when I was able to find it after looking for some time. Being an avid blogger, I'm pleased to see others taking initiative and contributing to the community. I just wanted to comment to show my appreciation for your work as it's very encouraging, and many bloggers do not get the credit they deserve. I'm sure I'll be back and will send some of my friends. Thank you very much for this great blog; this is the kind of post that keeps me going through the day. I’ve been looking around for your blog after I heard about them from a mate and was thrilled when I was able to find it after looking for some time. Being an avid blogger, I’m pleased to see others taking initiative and contributing to the community. I just wanted to comment to show my appreciation for your work as it’s very encouraging, and many bloggers do not get the credit they deserve. I’m sure I’ll be back and will send some of my friends.

]]> By: Ben M. http://unemployedjd.com/2010/08/05/complete-listing-of-law-schools-involved-in-hunger-strike/comment-page-1/#comment-97 Ben M. Mon, 09 Aug 2010 21:50:34 +0000 http://unemployedjd.com/?p=364#comment-97 Ethan, This is kind of pathetic. Did you assume that upon getting a law degree people would just start throwing jobs at you? What did you undergrad in? History? Poli-sci? And assume that if you could stick it out for 3 yrs in law school that you would be rewarded with a cushy job paying 6 figures at the end? Honestly, this seems to be a problem not just with law grads, but all grads. They assume college degree=job. An honest look around America, and you would see that there is a HUGE oversupply of lawyers. Perhaps a risk/award analysis prior to deciding to go to law school would have made you think differently about shelling out tens of thousands of dollars on law school. The admissions people shouldn't be blamed for you not doing your own due dilligence. Nor should they be blamed when you injure yourself from lack of nutrition...... Ethan,

This is kind of pathetic. Did you assume that upon getting a law degree people would just start throwing jobs at you? What did you undergrad in? History? Poli-sci? And assume that if you could stick it out for 3 yrs in law school that you would be rewarded with a cushy job paying 6 figures at the end?

Honestly, this seems to be a problem not just with law grads, but all grads. They assume college degree=job. An honest look around America, and you would see that there is a HUGE oversupply of lawyers. Perhaps a risk/award analysis prior to deciding to go to law school would have made you think differently about shelling out tens of thousands of dollars on law school.

The admissions people shouldn’t be blamed for you not doing your own due dilligence. Nor should they be blamed when you injure yourself from lack of nutrition……

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